Late-night takeaway plan for Burnley listed building

4:00pm Thursday 21st June 2012 in Burnley

PLANS have been submitted to convert part of a town centre listed building into a late night takeaway.

Councillors will today discuss the proposals to change the current Second Sight Opticians on Keirby Walk, Burnley into a fast food outlet, permitted to open from 11am-2am, seven days a week.

The change of use has been recommended for approval by planners but objections have been raised from other businesses on Keirby Walk.

Issues brought to Burnley Council’s attention during a consultation include claims that parking is already stretched, possible anti-social behaviour problems, littering and the lack of security and
CCTV in the area.

The application site is the ground floor a former pub and in a later guise, the Zanzibar nightclub, which is also currently occupied by a financial services business and a tea rooms.

In a report to councillors planners said that a late night takeaway on the premises was acceptable to ensure such a high profile building remained fully occupied.

The report said: “Refusal of the application may lead to a prominent listed building becoming vacant which would have a negative impact.

“In the absence of any demonstrable harm, the proposal is acceptable.

“It is unlikely that it would have an adverse impact on the town centre as a whole.”

Second Sight Opticians is still currently trading at the premises.

When contacted yesterday a spokesman for the firm said that the business would continue at another location. They declined to comment further.

The proposal will be discussed by Burnley Council’s development control committee this evening.

Comments(38)

superfly agaric

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4:14pm Thu 21 Jun 12

There just aren’t enough kebab and pizza take aways.
I have to walk a full 30metres from my house and then there’s only two.
Come on councils – lets get more streets full of kebab shops!
superfly agaric

Izanears

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4:35pm Thu 21 Jun 12

[quote][p][bold]superfly agaric[/bold] wrote:
There just aren’t enough kebab and pizza take aways.
I have to walk a full 30metres from my house and then there’s only two.
Come on councils – lets get more streets full of kebab shops![/p][/quote]Walk only thirty metres Superfly! In Pendle you only have to walk three feet. I must agree with youir comments about the numbers. It would seem that councils want a take-Away/kebab shop on every street corner.
Izanears

superfly agaric

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4:38pm Thu 21 Jun 12

[quote][p][bold]Izanears[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]superfly agaric[/bold] wrote:
There just aren’t enough kebab and pizza take aways.
I have to walk a full 30metres from my house and then there’s only two.
Come on councils – lets get more streets full of kebab shops![/p][/quote]Walk only thirty metres Superfly! In Pendle you only have to walk three feet. I must agree with youir comments about the numbers. It would seem that councils want a take-Away/kebab shop on every street corner.[/p][/quote]I’m not including Chinese and curry houses as I class these as more upmarket establishments – well, upmarket in comparison to the kebab shops.
superfly agaric

2 for 5p

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4:44pm Thu 21 Jun 12

Well if kebab shops, Curry houses and chinese takeouts are making a do in this resession then why not.
If it employs people makes profit they then spend at the suppliers and they are employed. It might not be like a new steel works but it creates jobs.
Good look to them.
2 for 5p

Hippocroccapig

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4:59pm Thu 21 Jun 12

Better a kebab house than an empty property
Hippocroccapig

superfly agaric

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5:17pm Thu 21 Jun 12

[quote][p][bold]2 for 5p[/bold] wrote:
Well if kebab shops, Curry houses and chinese takeouts are making a do in this resession then why not.
If it employs people makes profit they then spend at the suppliers and they are employed. It might not be like a new steel works but it creates jobs.
Good look to them.[/p][/quote]Don’t forget the leaflet posters. I have a brazilian rainforest behind my door waiting to go to the recycling.
superfly agaric

Smoking Area

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5:23pm Thu 21 Jun 12

[quote][p][bold]superfly agaric[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]2 for 5p[/bold] wrote:
Well if kebab shops, Curry houses and chinese takeouts are making a do in this resession then why not.
If it employs people makes profit they then spend at the suppliers and they are employed. It might not be like a new steel works but it creates jobs.
Good look to them.[/p][/quote]Don’t forget the leaflet posters. I have a brazilian rainforest behind my door waiting to go to the recycling.[/p][/quote]I am half tempted to dump my rubbish in the local takeaways, I am sick to death of getting the same menu’s through my door week after week.
Smoking Area

Your ferret stinks

says…

5:45pm Thu 21 Jun 12

At what point do ANY councils in this country give a **** about health issues before granting these licences? why is it that in this country any company that deals within the food and drinks industry have to adhere to very strict guidelines in order to operate and conduct business, for instance if you go into a meat processing plant for dog food a hairnet is compulsary as is a snood if you have a beard along with a white smock, safety shoes, no jewelry is allowed except a plain wedding band, not even a wristwatch is allowed, any product containing nuts has to be kept separate, gloves have to be worn in-between handling food and cash etc, ect, yet none of these rules apply to these kebab / curry shops……why is that then?
Is it not more likely that your food will be contaminated at the final prep stage due to none of these rules being enforced by the very same councils that grant these licences?
Do health and safety issues only apply to one half of our cosmopolitan community?
Please can someone from the enviromental health dept comment on this or have you been told otherwise?
Your ferret stinks

Am i in yet..?

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6:11pm Thu 21 Jun 12

[quote][p][bold]Your ferret stinks[/bold] wrote:
At what point do ANY councils in this country give a **** about health issues before granting these licences? why is it that in this country any company that deals within the food and drinks industry have to adhere to very strict guidelines in order to operate and conduct business, for instance if you go into a meat processing plant for dog food a hairnet is compulsary as is a snood if you have a beard along with a white smock, safety shoes, no jewelry is allowed except a plain wedding band, not even a wristwatch is allowed, any product containing nuts has to be kept separate, gloves have to be worn in-between handling food and cash etc, ect, yet none of these rules apply to these kebab / curry shops……why is that then?
Is it not more likely that your food will be contaminated at the final prep stage due to none of these rules being enforced by the very same councils that grant these licences?
Do health and safety issues only apply to one half of our cosmopolitan community?
Please can someone from the enviromental health dept comment on this or have you been told otherwise?[/p][/quote]Who gives a fcuk about back street take aways. The entire european economy is about to collapse..All this lot running these backstreet takeaways will be off back to Karachi faster than you can eat one of their snot infested pizza’s.
Am i in yet..?

berniep

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6:12pm Thu 21 Jun 12

These establishments are not opened to make profit they are to clean dirty money.
I have a good friend who is an accountant he told me that over 90% of these takeaway,s do not pay tax because they do not meet the taxable limits that its obvious why these businesses
have been set up.
They employ family on very small wages but with enough hours to qualify for benefit,s ie housing council tax working tax credit so on. Taking thousands out of the economy but putting nothing in.
berniep

sen c bl

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6:24pm Thu 21 Jun 12

Your ferret stinks wrote:
At what point do ANY councils in this country give a **** about health issues before granting these licences? why is it that in this country any company that deals within the food and drinks industry have to adhere to very strict guidelines in order to operate and conduct business, for instance if you go into a meat processing plant for dog food a hairnet is compulsary as is a snood if you have a beard along with a white smock, safety shoes, no jewelry is allowed except a plain wedding band, not even a wristwatch is allowed, any product containing nuts has to be kept separate, gloves have to be worn in-between handling food and cash etc, ect, yet none of these rules apply to these kebab / curry shops……why is that then?
Is it not more likely that your food will be contaminated at the final prep stage due to none of these rules being enforced by the very same councils that grant these licences?
Do health and safety issues only apply to one half of our cosmopolitan community?
Please can someone from the enviromental health dept comment on this or have you been told otherwise?

I’ll gladly comment on your post.

Packed food prepared by companies intended for sale by food outlets, i.e. supermarkets, have to follow strict food manfacturing guidelines as pointed out in your post, and assessed every 12 months under the Hazard Analysis and Critical Control Points (HACCP).
In case of hot meal outlets, guidelines are far relaxed yet hygiene rules apply the same. Food heated destroys bacteria to a certain extent, but enough for consumption. At all times all food organisations should follow safety aspects and show competance. Most laws are simply recommendations, and failure to comply not neccessarily leading to prosecution. In the event any issue arises and customer complains are raised, then there is a chance of a formal warning which may lead to prosecution.

[quote][p][bold]Your ferret stinks[/bold] wrote:
At what point do ANY councils in this country give a **** about health issues before granting these licences? why is it that in this country any company that deals within the food and drinks industry have to adhere to very strict guidelines in order to operate and conduct business, for instance if you go into a meat processing plant for dog food a hairnet is compulsary as is a snood if you have a beard along with a white smock, safety shoes, no jewelry is allowed except a plain wedding band, not even a wristwatch is allowed, any product containing nuts has to be kept separate, gloves have to be worn in-between handling food and cash etc, ect, yet none of these rules apply to these kebab / curry shops……why is that then?
Is it not more likely that your food will be contaminated at the final prep stage due to none of these rules being enforced by the very same councils that grant these licences?
Do health and safety issues only apply to one half of our cosmopolitan community?
Please can someone from the enviromental health dept comment on this or have you been told otherwise?[/p][/quote]I’ll gladly comment on your post.

Your ferret stinks

says…

6:35pm Thu 21 Jun 12

[quote][p][bold]berniep[/bold] wrote:
These establishments are not opened to make profit they are to clean dirty money.
I have a good friend who is an accountant he told me that over 90% of these takeaway,s do not pay tax because they do not meet the taxable limits that its obvious why these businesses
have been set up.
They employ family on very small wages but with enough hours to qualify for benefit,s ie housing council tax working tax credit so on. Taking thousands out of the economy but putting nothing in.[/p][/quote]From what i have been told on many occasions it would seem that your right on the money! yet why as a caring nation do we decide to ignore the fact that these business’s seem to have a licence allowing them to operate outside of the law and at the detrement to perfectly legitimate business’s who whole heartdly comply to all the rules and regulations in order not to be shut down!
and may i add at a significant cost!
‘Is there any stipulation put on the granting of a licence for fast food shops at all ?
Makes you wonder who is frightened of who, hopefully someone in the role of granting licences will reply…..shall i hold my breath?
Your ferret stinks

Malthus

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6:40pm Thu 21 Jun 12

[quote][p][bold]berniep[/bold] wrote:
These establishments are not opened to make profit they are to clean dirty money.
I have a good friend who is an accountant he told me that over 90% of these takeaway,s do not pay tax because they do not meet the taxable limits that its obvious why these businesses
have been set up.
They employ family on very small wages but with enough hours to qualify for benefit,s ie housing council tax working tax credit so on. Taking thousands out of the economy but putting nothing in.[/p][/quote]I was going to make this point, but could not put it a better than you. There is one other point though. Once the money has been cleaned it is transferred to what even third and fourth generation family members refer to as home. So once again British state benefits are building economic stability in other nations whilst our country goes to the wall.
Malthus

lollyloo

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6:46pm Thu 21 Jun 12

Why the heck are we allowing fast food takeaways to open? Obesity is rife as it is – why couldnt they open a mini gym there so it’s being put to healthy use – Im working to earn a living and my tax money is being taken off me to pay for these fat jabbers to have lipo!
lollyloo

Your ferret stinks

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7:07pm Thu 21 Jun 12

sen c bl wrote:

Your ferret stinks wrote:
At what point do ANY councils in this country give a **** about health issues before granting these licences? why is it that in this country any company that deals within the food and drinks industry have to adhere to very strict guidelines in order to operate and conduct business, for instance if you go into a meat processing plant for dog food a hairnet is compulsary as is a snood if you have a beard along with a white smock, safety shoes, no jewelry is allowed except a plain wedding band, not even a wristwatch is allowed, any product containing nuts has to be kept separate, gloves have to be worn in-between handling food and cash etc, ect, yet none of these rules apply to these kebab / curry shops……why is that then?
Is it not more likely that your food will be contaminated at the final prep stage due to none of these rules being enforced by the very same councils that grant these licences?
Do health and safety issues only apply to one half of our cosmopolitan community?
Please can someone from the enviromental health dept comment on this or have you been told otherwise?

I’ll gladly comment on your post.

Packed food prepared by companies intended for sale by food outlets, i.e. supermarkets, have to follow strict food manfacturing guidelines as pointed out in your post, and assessed every 12 months under the Hazard Analysis and Critical Control Points (HACCP).
In case of hot meal outlets, guidelines are far relaxed yet hygiene rules apply the same. Food heated destroys bacteria to a certain extent, but enough for consumption. At all times all food organisations should follow safety aspects and show competance. Most laws are simply recommendations, and failure to comply not neccessarily leading to prosecution. In the event any issue arises and customer complains are raised, then there is a chance of a formal warning which may lead to prosecution.

What a refreshing answer you have given, however how do we make it go further in order to protect the very customer it servers and relies upon?
at what point are the local authority able to stipulate that the H+S act 1974 will must be adherered to and they will be visable to all and sundry.

[quote][p][bold]sen c bl[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Your ferret stinks[/bold] wrote:
At what point do ANY councils in this country give a **** about health issues before granting these licences? why is it that in this country any company that deals within the food and drinks industry have to adhere to very strict guidelines in order to operate and conduct business, for instance if you go into a meat processing plant for dog food a hairnet is compulsary as is a snood if you have a beard along with a white smock, safety shoes, no jewelry is allowed except a plain wedding band, not even a wristwatch is allowed, any product containing nuts has to be kept separate, gloves have to be worn in-between handling food and cash etc, ect, yet none of these rules apply to these kebab / curry shops……why is that then?
Is it not more likely that your food will be contaminated at the final prep stage due to none of these rules being enforced by the very same councils that grant these licences?
Do health and safety issues only apply to one half of our cosmopolitan community?
Please can someone from the enviromental health dept comment on this or have you been told otherwise?[/p][/quote]I’ll gladly comment on your post.

sen c bl

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7:21pm Thu 21 Jun 12

Am i in yet..?

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7:21pm Thu 21 Jun 12

[quote][p][bold]Malthus[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]berniep[/bold] wrote:
These establishments are not opened to make profit they are to clean dirty money.
I have a good friend who is an accountant he told me that over 90% of these takeaway,s do not pay tax because they do not meet the taxable limits that its obvious why these businesses
have been set up.
They employ family on very small wages but with enough hours to qualify for benefit,s ie housing council tax working tax credit so on. Taking thousands out of the economy but putting nothing in.[/p][/quote]I was going to make this point, but could not put it a better than you. There is one other point though. Once the money has been cleaned it is transferred to what even third and fourth generation family members refer to as home. So once again British state benefits are building economic stability in other nations whilst our country goes to the wall.[/p][/quote]Every economy accross the globe is being brought to its knees by the BANKSTERS…The low level fraud that you claim is going on with takaways is’nt even a drip in the banksters bucket. Tax payers certainly don’t have any say in whats going on with the bigger picture so why have a go at low level fraudsters while the banksters pick your pockets. The government have boxed it that if you protest about the banksters picking your pockets you go to prison and if not prison you will most certainly obtain a criminal record for protesting. And now that the banksters have took control of politicians expenses they can now hide all sorts of different luxuries needed by todays up market politicians..Wake up and look above the snot filled takeaways and look at the grubby banksters robbing us all of our pensions livlihoods and in many many cases their homes. I wish it would thunder and lighten for a while sometimes I think my head is going to blow up trying to help people see the real wrongsters. Banksters and politicians working together are the ones to have a go at not Abdul wiping his bogey’s on your taxless takeaways.
Am i in yet..?

sen c bl

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7:39pm Thu 21 Jun 12

Your ferret stinks wrote:

sen c bl wrote:

Your ferret stinks wrote:
At what point do ANY councils in this country give a **** about health issues before granting these licences? why is it that in this country any company that deals within the food and drinks industry have to adhere to very strict guidelines in order to operate and conduct business, for instance if you go into a meat processing plant for dog food a hairnet is compulsary as is a snood if you have a beard along with a white smock, safety shoes, no jewelry is allowed except a plain wedding band, not even a wristwatch is allowed, any product containing nuts has to be kept separate, gloves have to be worn in-between handling food and cash etc, ect, yet none of these rules apply to these kebab / curry shops……why is that then?
Is it not more likely that your food will be contaminated at the final prep stage due to none of these rules being enforced by the very same councils that grant these licences?
Do health and safety issues only apply to one half of our cosmopolitan community?
Please can someone from the enviromental health dept comment on this or have you been told otherwise?

I’ll gladly comment on your post.

Packed food prepared by companies intended for sale by food outlets, i.e. supermarkets, have to follow strict food manfacturing guidelines as pointed out in your post, and assessed every 12 months under the Hazard Analysis and Critical Control Points (HACCP).
In case of hot meal outlets, guidelines are far relaxed yet hygiene rules apply the same. Food heated destroys bacteria to a certain extent, but enough for consumption. At all times all food organisations should follow safety aspects and show competance. Most laws are simply recommendations, and failure to comply not neccessarily leading to prosecution. In the event any issue arises and customer complains are raised, then there is a chance of a formal warning which may lead to prosecution.

What a refreshing answer you have given, however how do we make it go further in order to protect the very customer it servers and relies upon?
at what point are the local authority able to stipulate that the H+S act 1974 will must be adherered to and they will be visable to all and sundry.

Four years ago, enviromental health officers frequently visited all hot-food takeaway outlets imposing strict hygiene rules, and clean up notices were issued, reported in this very paper, prosecuted many for failure to comply food hygiene laws. As for the cut backs the councils health department’s regular visit then became limited, and instead all food organisations were made to not only adhere to HACCP, but also to maintain a schedule showing cleaning procedures and primary food purchase records. Points on doors shows these outlets and the progress.
Well you may well ask, what’s happened. The answer, these outlets were visited not between 9-5, but between 6-12, in the evenings!!!

[quote][p][bold]Your ferret stinks[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]sen c bl[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Your ferret stinks[/bold] wrote:
At what point do ANY councils in this country give a **** about health issues before granting these licences? why is it that in this country any company that deals within the food and drinks industry have to adhere to very strict guidelines in order to operate and conduct business, for instance if you go into a meat processing plant for dog food a hairnet is compulsary as is a snood if you have a beard along with a white smock, safety shoes, no jewelry is allowed except a plain wedding band, not even a wristwatch is allowed, any product containing nuts has to be kept separate, gloves have to be worn in-between handling food and cash etc, ect, yet none of these rules apply to these kebab / curry shops……why is that then?
Is it not more likely that your food will be contaminated at the final prep stage due to none of these rules being enforced by the very same councils that grant these licences?
Do health and safety issues only apply to one half of our cosmopolitan community?
Please can someone from the enviromental health dept comment on this or have you been told otherwise?[/p][/quote]I’ll gladly comment on your post.

Packed food prepared by companies intended for sale by food outlets, i.e. supermarkets, have to follow strict food manfacturing guidelines as pointed out in your post, and assessed every 12 months under the Hazard Analysis and Critical Control Points (HACCP).
In case of hot meal outlets, guidelines are far relaxed yet hygiene rules apply the same. Food heated destroys bacteria to a certain extent, but enough for consumption. At all times all food organisations should follow safety aspects and show competance. Most laws are simply recommendations, and failure to comply not neccessarily leading to prosecution. In the event any issue arises and customer complains are raised, then there is a chance of a formal warning which may lead to prosecution.[/p][/quote]What a refreshing answer you have given, however how do we make it go further in order to protect the very customer it servers and relies upon?
at what point are the local authority able to stipulate that the H+S act 1974 will must be adherered to and they will be visable to all and sundry.[/p][/quote]Four years ago, enviromental health officers frequently visited all hot-food takeaway outlets imposing strict hygiene rules, and clean up notices were issued, reported in this very paper, prosecuted many for failure to comply food hygiene laws. As for the cut backs the councils health department’s regular visit then became limited, and instead all food organisations were made to not only adhere to HACCP, but also to maintain a schedule showing cleaning procedures and primary food purchase records. Points on doors shows these outlets and the progress.
Well you may well ask, what’s happened. The answer, these outlets were visited not between 9-5, but between 6-12, in the evenings!!!
sen c bl

Your ferret stinks

says…

7:51pm Thu 21 Jun 12

So would all parties agree that not only are these establishments operating slightly within the law (just like jimmy carr) but yet is agreed that they are failing the system and it’s the best man that wins at the end of the day……if a prosecution was brought to trial? because if that is the case i need to restructure my business in order to make a living not only for me but also the rest of my family?
Your ferret stinks

doomchanter

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7:59pm Thu 21 Jun 12

I would advise anyone who eats from these sh*tholes to make a return visit when sober. Failing that try to finish a half eaten one from the night before. Pure bile!.

PS. The good news is Steve has kept his job! 6 points in the bag!

God save the Kean!
doomchanter

Your ferret stinks

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8:07pm Thu 21 Jun 12

[quote][p][bold]doomchanter[/bold] wrote:
I would advise anyone who eats from these sh*tholes to make a return visit when sober. Failing that try to finish a half eaten one from the night before. Pure bile!.

PS. The good news is Steve has kept his job! 6 points in the bag!

God save the Kean![/p][/quote]Av a word with yourself!
Your ferret stinks

berniep

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8:34pm Thu 21 Jun 12

[quote][p][bold]Am i in yet..?[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Malthus[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]berniep[/bold] wrote:
These establishments are not opened to make profit they are to clean dirty money.
I have a good friend who is an accountant he told me that over 90% of these takeaway,s do not pay tax because they do not meet the taxable limits that its obvious why these businesses
have been set up.
They employ family on very small wages but with enough hours to qualify for benefit,s ie housing council tax working tax credit so on. Taking thousands out of the economy but putting nothing in.[/p][/quote]I was going to make this point, but could not put it a better than you. There is one other point though. Once the money has been cleaned it is transferred to what even third and fourth generation family members refer to as home. So once again British state benefits are building economic stability in other nations whilst our country goes to the wall.[/p][/quote]Every economy accross the globe is being brought to its knees by the BANKSTERS…The low level fraud that you claim is going on with takaways is’nt even a drip in the banksters bucket. Tax payers certainly don’t have any say in whats going on with the bigger picture so why have a go at low level fraudsters while the banksters pick your pockets. The government have boxed it that if you protest about the banksters picking your pockets you go to prison and if not prison you will most certainly obtain a criminal record for protesting. And now that the banksters have took control of politicians expenses they can now hide all sorts of different luxuries needed by todays up market politicians..Wake up and look above the snot filled takeaways and look at the grubby banksters robbing us all of our pensions livlihoods and in many many cases their homes. I wish it would thunder and lighten for a while sometimes I think my head is going to blow up trying to help people see the real wrongsters. Banksters and politicians working together are the ones to have a go at not Abdul wiping his bogey’s on your taxless takeaways.[/p][/quote]I agree with you wholeheartedly about the” bankster,s” but alas that is a different story if the LET every get a reporter intelligent enough to report on the subject i will comment.
I would not call it “low level” fraud when you consider how many are doing it.Its not just takeaways its corner shops taxi firms restaurant’s market traders all manor of family owned businesses.
The amount of tax avoided the payout of benefits is phenomenal.
berniep

Angrlus

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10:26pm Thu 21 Jun 12

The amount of bile towards ethnics astounds me. Tax avoidance isnt just the domain of asian SME’s and the amount the council waste each year and the way projects are managed would make your eyes water. spend your 3m or you dont get it next year? Guess what, we just happen to need new laptops and ipads for everyone so they can work from home..

Am i in yet..?

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10:38pm Thu 21 Jun 12

[quote][p][bold]Angrlus[/bold] wrote:
The amount of bile towards ethnics astounds me. Tax avoidance isnt just the domain of asian SME’s and the amount the council waste each year and the way projects are managed would make your eyes water. spend your 3m or you dont get it next year? Guess what, we just happen to need new laptops and ipads for everyone so they can work from home..

2 for 5p

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11:23pm Thu 21 Jun 12

berniep

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11:47pm Thu 21 Jun 12

[quote][p][bold]2 for 5p[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]berniep[/bold] wrote:
These establishments are not opened to make profit they are to clean dirty money.
I have a good friend who is an accountant he told me that over 90% of these takeaway,s do not pay tax because they do not meet the taxable limits that its obvious why these businesses
have been set up.
They employ family on very small wages but with enough hours to qualify for benefit,s ie housing council tax working tax credit so on. Taking thousands out of the economy but putting nothing in.[/p][/quote]That’s a load of cr#p if they wanted to launder money the shop would be just a front.
They certainly woulbnt be open 16 hours a day.
Sun tan shops that’s money laundering[/p][/quote]You have missed the point. Like you missed the spelling lessons.
berniep

berniep

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11:51pm Thu 21 Jun 12

[quote][p][bold]berniep[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]2 for 5p[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]berniep[/bold] wrote:
These establishments are not opened to make profit they are to clean dirty money.
I have a good friend who is an accountant he told me that over 90% of these takeaway,s do not pay tax because they do not meet the taxable limits that its obvious why these businesses
have been set up.
They employ family on very small wages but with enough hours to qualify for benefit,s ie housing council tax working tax credit so on. Taking thousands out of the economy but putting nothing in.[/p][/quote]That’s a load of cr#p if they wanted to launder money the shop would be just a front.
They certainly woulbnt be open 16 hours a day.
Sun tan shops that’s money laundering[/p][/quote]You have missed the point. Like you missed the spelling lessons.[/p][/quote]I really must apologise that was very rude of me.
However i really do think you have missed the point.
berniep

beagle

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2:48am Fri 22 Jun 12

We don’t eat that foriegn **** down the turf anyway, fu% of3
UTC
beagle

sen c bl

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7:03am Fri 22 Jun 12

[quote][p][bold]Am i in yet..?[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Angrlus[/bold] wrote:
The amount of bile towards ethnics astounds me. Tax avoidance isnt just the domain of asian SME’s and the amount the council waste each year and the way projects are managed would make your eyes water. spend your 3m or you dont get it next year? Guess what, we just happen to need new laptops and ipads for everyone so they can work from home..

Am i in yet..?

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9:06am Fri 22 Jun 12

[quote][p][bold]sen c bl[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Am i in yet..?[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Angrlus[/bold] wrote:
The amount of bile towards ethnics astounds me. Tax avoidance isnt just the domain of asian SME’s and the amount the council waste each year and the way projects are managed would make your eyes water. spend your 3m or you dont get it next year? Guess what, we just happen to need new laptops and ipads for everyone so they can work from home..

midas

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9:16am Fri 22 Jun 12

sen c bl wrote:

Your ferret stinks wrote: At what point do ANY councils in this country give a **** about health issues before granting these licences? why is it that in this country any company that deals within the food and drinks industry have to adhere to very strict guidelines in order to operate and conduct business, for instance if you go into a meat processing plant for dog food a hairnet is compulsary as is a snood if you have a beard along with a white smock, safety shoes, no jewelry is allowed except a plain wedding band, not even a wristwatch is allowed, any product containing nuts has to be kept separate, gloves have to be worn in-between handling food and cash etc, ect, yet none of these rules apply to these kebab / curry shops……why is that then? Is it not more likely that your food will be contaminated at the final prep stage due to none of these rules being enforced by the very same councils that grant these licences? Do health and safety issues only apply to one half of our cosmopolitan community? Please can someone from the enviromental health dept comment on this or have you been told otherwise?

I’ll gladly comment on your post. Packed food prepared by companies intended for sale by food outlets, i.e. supermarkets, have to follow strict food manfacturing guidelines as pointed out in your post, and assessed every 12 months under the Hazard Analysis and Critical Control Points (HACCP). In case of hot meal outlets, guidelines are far relaxed yet hygiene rules apply the same. Food heated destroys bacteria to a certain extent, but enough for consumption. At all times all food organisations should follow safety aspects and show competance. Most laws are simply recommendations, and failure to comply not neccessarily leading to prosecution. In the event any issue arises and customer complains are raised, then there is a chance of a formal warning which may lead to prosecution.

Oh great thats just what we need, someone who actually knows the answer and undermines the opportunity to get a few racist digs in!

[quote][p][bold]sen c bl[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Your ferret stinks[/bold] wrote: At what point do ANY councils in this country give a **** about health issues before granting these licences? why is it that in this country any company that deals within the food and drinks industry have to adhere to very strict guidelines in order to operate and conduct business, for instance if you go into a meat processing plant for dog food a hairnet is compulsary as is a snood if you have a beard along with a white smock, safety shoes, no jewelry is allowed except a plain wedding band, not even a wristwatch is allowed, any product containing nuts has to be kept separate, gloves have to be worn in-between handling food and cash etc, ect, yet none of these rules apply to these kebab / curry shops……why is that then? Is it not more likely that your food will be contaminated at the final prep stage due to none of these rules being enforced by the very same councils that grant these licences? Do health and safety issues only apply to one half of our cosmopolitan community? Please can someone from the enviromental health dept comment on this or have you been told otherwise?[/p][/quote]I’ll gladly comment on your post. Packed food prepared by companies intended for sale by food outlets, i.e. supermarkets, have to follow strict food manfacturing guidelines as pointed out in your post, and assessed every 12 months under the Hazard Analysis and Critical Control Points (HACCP). In case of hot meal outlets, guidelines are far relaxed yet hygiene rules apply the same. Food heated destroys bacteria to a certain extent, but enough for consumption. At all times all food organisations should follow safety aspects and show competance. Most laws are simply recommendations, and failure to comply not neccessarily leading to prosecution. In the event any issue arises and customer complains are raised, then there is a chance of a formal warning which may lead to prosecution.[/p][/quote]Oh great thats just what we need, someone who actually knows the answer and undermines the opportunity to get a few racist digs in!
midas

sen c bl

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10:36am Fri 22 Jun 12

midas wrote:

sen c bl wrote:

Your ferret stinks wrote: At what point do ANY councils in this country give a **** about health issues before granting these licences? why is it that in this country any company that deals within the food and drinks industry have to adhere to very strict guidelines in order to operate and conduct business, for instance if you go into a meat processing plant for dog food a hairnet is compulsary as is a snood if you have a beard along with a white smock, safety shoes, no jewelry is allowed except a plain wedding band, not even a wristwatch is allowed, any product containing nuts has to be kept separate, gloves have to be worn in-between handling food and cash etc, ect, yet none of these rules apply to these kebab / curry shops……why is that then? Is it not more likely that your food will be contaminated at the final prep stage due to none of these rules being enforced by the very same councils that grant these licences? Do health and safety issues only apply to one half of our cosmopolitan community? Please can someone from the enviromental health dept comment on this or have you been told otherwise?

I’ll gladly comment on your post. Packed food prepared by companies intended for sale by food outlets, i.e. supermarkets, have to follow strict food manfacturing guidelines as pointed out in your post, and assessed every 12 months under the Hazard Analysis and Critical Control Points (HACCP). In case of hot meal outlets, guidelines are far relaxed yet hygiene rules apply the same. Food heated destroys bacteria to a certain extent, but enough for consumption. At all times all food organisations should follow safety aspects and show competance. Most laws are simply recommendations, and failure to comply not neccessarily leading to prosecution. In the event any issue arises and customer complains are raised, then there is a chance of a formal warning which may lead to prosecution.

Oh great thats just what we need, someone who actually knows the answer and undermines the opportunity to get a few racist digs in!

Thanks!

[quote][p][bold]midas[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]sen c bl[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Your ferret stinks[/bold] wrote: At what point do ANY councils in this country give a **** about health issues before granting these licences? why is it that in this country any company that deals within the food and drinks industry have to adhere to very strict guidelines in order to operate and conduct business, for instance if you go into a meat processing plant for dog food a hairnet is compulsary as is a snood if you have a beard along with a white smock, safety shoes, no jewelry is allowed except a plain wedding band, not even a wristwatch is allowed, any product containing nuts has to be kept separate, gloves have to be worn in-between handling food and cash etc, ect, yet none of these rules apply to these kebab / curry shops……why is that then? Is it not more likely that your food will be contaminated at the final prep stage due to none of these rules being enforced by the very same councils that grant these licences? Do health and safety issues only apply to one half of our cosmopolitan community? Please can someone from the enviromental health dept comment on this or have you been told otherwise?[/p][/quote]I’ll gladly comment on your post. Packed food prepared by companies intended for sale by food outlets, i.e. supermarkets, have to follow strict food manfacturing guidelines as pointed out in your post, and assessed every 12 months under the Hazard Analysis and Critical Control Points (HACCP). In case of hot meal outlets, guidelines are far relaxed yet hygiene rules apply the same. Food heated destroys bacteria to a certain extent, but enough for consumption. At all times all food organisations should follow safety aspects and show competance. Most laws are simply recommendations, and failure to comply not neccessarily leading to prosecution. In the event any issue arises and customer complains are raised, then there is a chance of a formal warning which may lead to prosecution.[/p][/quote]Oh great thats just what we need, someone who actually knows the answer and undermines the opportunity to get a few racist digs in![/p][/quote]Thanks!
sen c bl

Izanears

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10:45am Fri 22 Jun 12

Your ferret stinks wrote:
At what point do ANY councils in this country give a **** about health issues before granting these licences? why is it that in this country any company that deals within the food and drinks industry have to adhere to very strict guidelines in order to operate and conduct business, for instance if you go into a meat processing plant for dog food a hairnet is compulsary as is a snood if you have a beard along with a white smock, safety shoes, no jewelry is allowed except a plain wedding band, not even a wristwatch is allowed, any product containing nuts has to be kept separate, gloves have to be worn in-between handling food and cash etc, ect, yet none of these rules apply to these kebab / curry shops……why is that then?
Is it not more likely that your food will be contaminated at the final prep stage due to none of these rules being enforced by the very same councils that grant these licences?
Do health and safety issues only apply to one half of our cosmopolitan community?
Please can someone from the enviromental health dept comment on this or have you been told otherwise?

First of all, many of these Councils Pendle included, that seem set on filling our towns with fast food shops, also waste thousands of pounds of taxpayers money on wait for it…………HEALTH
Y EATING campaigns!
Secondly, a recent newspaper report said that when Food Inspectors checked out Kebab and Curry shops in Warwickshire, the Lamb kebabs contained Beef, Pork and Chicken!! And also that Lamb curries had chicken as well.
I checked with Lancashire County Council’s Food Inspectors and they said that they had also found this. Howver, because of the ever increasing number of these places, it often takes longer than a year between visits.

[quote][p][bold]Your ferret stinks[/bold] wrote:
At what point do ANY councils in this country give a **** about health issues before granting these licences? why is it that in this country any company that deals within the food and drinks industry have to adhere to very strict guidelines in order to operate and conduct business, for instance if you go into a meat processing plant for dog food a hairnet is compulsary as is a snood if you have a beard along with a white smock, safety shoes, no jewelry is allowed except a plain wedding band, not even a wristwatch is allowed, any product containing nuts has to be kept separate, gloves have to be worn in-between handling food and cash etc, ect, yet none of these rules apply to these kebab / curry shops……why is that then?
Is it not more likely that your food will be contaminated at the final prep stage due to none of these rules being enforced by the very same councils that grant these licences?
Do health and safety issues only apply to one half of our cosmopolitan community?
Please can someone from the enviromental health dept comment on this or have you been told otherwise?[/p][/quote]First of all, many of these Councils Pendle included, that seem set on filling our towns with fast food shops, also waste thousands of pounds of taxpayers money on wait for it…………HEALTH
Y EATING campaigns!
Secondly, a recent newspaper report said that when Food Inspectors checked out Kebab and Curry shops in Warwickshire, the Lamb kebabs contained Beef, Pork and Chicken!! And also that Lamb curries had chicken as well.
I checked with Lancashire County Council’s Food Inspectors and they said that they had also found this. Howver, because of the ever increasing number of these places, it often takes longer than a year between visits.
Izanears

sen c bl

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11:18am Fri 22 Jun 12

[quote][p][bold]Am i in yet..?[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]sen c bl[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Am i in yet..?[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Angrlus[/bold] wrote:
The amount of bile towards ethnics astounds me. Tax avoidance isnt just the domain of asian SME’s and the amount the council waste each year and the way projects are managed would make your eyes water. spend your 3m or you dont get it next year? Guess what, we just happen to need new laptops and ipads for everyone so they can work from home..

Kebab shop crime? You’d soon complain if the prices went up and you’d be shocked on the margins some operate. THREE 12″ pizzas for a tenner inc delivery round my end.. how they make anything on that is anyones guess.[/p][/quote]Money laundering has nothing to do with the price of a snot filled pizza. Infact if they could get away with it they would sell you six bogey topped pizzas for a tenner as long as there is a small turn over. I get the point about the laundring but they are not the ones you need to worry about.[/p][/quote]Paranoia a curse on the brain leading to stress and anxiety and eventual death![/p][/quote]If calling people names helps you to deal with not wanting to know the truth or to deal with your own fears then so be it.[/p][/quote]No, not atall. With what you post I agree, I ulike you refuse to let it ‘get to me’. I sense your heartbeat drums behind your comments, pumping in frustration.
Politics is nothing new, history is repeating itself and will continue as ‘dictators’ change and we all are at the forefront. These are the early stages, watch out for the yaggog maggog, and daljal. There’s no escape, but god fearing.
sen c bl

sen c bl

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11:36am Fri 22 Jun 12

Izanears wrote:

Your ferret stinks wrote:
At what point do ANY councils in this country give a **** about health issues before granting these licences? why is it that in this country any company that deals within the food and drinks industry have to adhere to very strict guidelines in order to operate and conduct business, for instance if you go into a meat processing plant for dog food a hairnet is compulsary as is a snood if you have a beard along with a white smock, safety shoes, no jewelry is allowed except a plain wedding band, not even a wristwatch is allowed, any product containing nuts has to be kept separate, gloves have to be worn in-between handling food and cash etc, ect, yet none of these rules apply to these kebab / curry shops……why is that then?
Is it not more likely that your food will be contaminated at the final prep stage due to none of these rules being enforced by the very same councils that grant these licences?
Do health and safety issues only apply to one half of our cosmopolitan community?
Please can someone from the enviromental health dept comment on this or have you been told otherwise?

First of all, many of these Councils Pendle included, that seem set on filling our towns with fast food shops, also waste thousands of pounds of taxpayers money on wait for it…………HEALTH

Y EATING campaigns!
Secondly, a recent newspaper report said that when Food Inspectors checked out Kebab and Curry shops in Warwickshire, the Lamb kebabs contained Beef, Pork and Chicken!! And also that Lamb curries had chicken as well.
I checked with Lancashire County Council’s Food Inspectors and they said that they had also found this. Howver, because of the ever increasing number of these places, it often takes longer than a year between visits.

Officers from the Food Standard Agency inspected all major supermarkets and their meat and poultry products. These were found to contain products of certain animals but declared incorrectly. No enforcement notices were issued!!!

[quote][p][bold]Izanears[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Your ferret stinks[/bold] wrote:
At what point do ANY councils in this country give a **** about health issues before granting these licences? why is it that in this country any company that deals within the food and drinks industry have to adhere to very strict guidelines in order to operate and conduct business, for instance if you go into a meat processing plant for dog food a hairnet is compulsary as is a snood if you have a beard along with a white smock, safety shoes, no jewelry is allowed except a plain wedding band, not even a wristwatch is allowed, any product containing nuts has to be kept separate, gloves have to be worn in-between handling food and cash etc, ect, yet none of these rules apply to these kebab / curry shops……why is that then?
Is it not more likely that your food will be contaminated at the final prep stage due to none of these rules being enforced by the very same councils that grant these licences?
Do health and safety issues only apply to one half of our cosmopolitan community?
Please can someone from the enviromental health dept comment on this or have you been told otherwise?[/p][/quote]First of all, many of these Councils Pendle included, that seem set on filling our towns with fast food shops, also waste thousands of pounds of taxpayers money on wait for it…………HEALTH

Y EATING campaigns!
Secondly, a recent newspaper report said that when Food Inspectors checked out Kebab and Curry shops in Warwickshire, the Lamb kebabs contained Beef, Pork and Chicken!! And also that Lamb curries had chicken as well.
I checked with Lancashire County Council’s Food Inspectors and they said that they had also found this. Howver, because of the ever increasing number of these places, it often takes longer than a year between visits.[/p][/quote]Officers from the Food Standard Agency inspected all major supermarkets and their meat and poultry products. These were found to contain products of certain animals but declared incorrectly. No enforcement notices were issued!!!
sen c bl

Your ferret stinks

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12:21pm Fri 22 Jun 12

So that’s it folks it would appear that you can open a shop selling ready made food whilst having filthy fingernails, dealing with cash and no gloves, no socks or shoes on so you can clip your toe nails when the shops quiet, long hair and beard falling in your kebab, hands that have been handling raw meat and then your pitta bread and people wonder why they are ill the next day…perhaps it’s not the beer!
Your ferret stinks

Angrlus

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8:18pm Fri 22 Jun 12

[quote][p][bold]beagle[/bold] wrote:
We don’t eat that foriegn **** down the turf anyway, fu% of3
UTC[/p][/quote]Because turf is the domain of the white indigenous only?

Or do foreigners refuse to eat foreign food at the footy… Now think carefully before you reply lol
Angrlus

Angrlus

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8:26pm Fri 22 Jun 12

Kebab shop crime? You’d soon complain if the prices went up and you’d be shocked on the margins some operate. THREE 12″ pizzas for a tenner inc delivery round my end.. how they make anything on that is anyones guess.[/p][/quote]Money laundering has nothing to do with the price of a snot filled pizza. Infact if they could get away with it they would sell you six bogey topped pizzas for a tenner as long as there is a small turn over. I get the point about the laundring but they are not the ones you need to worry about.[/p][/quote]Paranoia a curse on the brain leading to stress and anxiety and eventual death![/p][/quote]If calling people names helps you to deal with not wanting to know the truth or to deal with your own fears then so be it.[/p][/quote]I’d say its your fears which are most apparent here… Worrying about kebabs shop owners laundering money or just kebab shop owners?

I wonder what they call that?

Kebabshopophobia is rather long!
Angrlus

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